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    U.S. No-Fly list doubles in one year

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Even as the Obama administration says it's close to defeating al-Qaida, the size of the government's secret list of suspected terrorists who are banned from flying to or within the United States has more than doubled in the past year, The Associated Press has learned.

    The no-fly list jumped from about 10,000 known or suspected terrorists one year ago to about 21,000, according to government figures provided to the AP. Most people on the list are from other countries; about 500 are Americans.

    The flood of new names began after the failed Christmas 2009 bombing of a Detroit-bound jetliner. The government lowered the standard for putting people on the list, and then scoured its files for anyone who qualified. The government will not disclose who is on its list or why someone might have been placed on it.

    The surge in the size of the no-fly list comes even as the U.S. has killed many senior members of al-Qaida. That's because the government believes the current terror threat extends well beyond the group responsible for the September 2001 attacks.

    "Both U.S. intelligence and law enforcement communities and foreign services continue to identify people who want to cause us harm, particularly in the U.S. and particularly as it relates to aviation," Transportation Security Administrator John Pistole said in an interview.

    The Nigerian man who pleaded guilty in the Christmas 2009 attack over Detroit, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, was listed in a large U.S. intelligence database that includes partial names and relatives of suspected terrorists. That database is a feeder to the broad terror watch list, of which the no-fly list is a component, but only when there is enough information linking the person to terrorism. Officials believe the U.S. had enough information about Abdulmutallab at the time to put him on the broader terror watch list, which would have helped the intelligence community catch him.

    The Christmas attack led to significant changes in how the U.S. assembles its watch list. Intelligence agencies across the government reviewed old files to find people who should have been on the government's terror watch list all along, plus those who should be added because of the new standards put in place to close security gaps.

    A senior Homeland Security Department official, Caryn Wagner, told senators Tuesday during an oversight hearing, "We have been able to harness the intelligence from the intelligence community to inform our instruments to keep people out at our borders, to make sure that the wrong people are not getting on airplanes at last points of departure and to make sure that people who shouldn't get them are not receiving immigration benefits from the department."

    After the Christmas attack, "We learned a lot about the watch-listing process and made strong improvements, which continue to this day," said Timothy Healy, director of the Terrorist Screening Center, which produces the no-fly list.

    Among the most significant new standard is that now a person doesn't have to be considered only a threat to aviation to be placed on the no-fly list. People who are considered a broader threat to domestic or international security or who attended a terror training camp also are included, said a U.S. counterterrorism official who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive security matters.

    As agencies complete the reviews of their files, the pace of growth is expected to slow, the counterterrorism official said.

    The American Civil Liberties Union has sued the government on behalf of Americans who believe they're on the no-fly list and have not been able to travel by air for work or to see family.

    "The news that the list is growing tells us that more people's rights are being violated," said Nusrat Choudhury, a staff attorney working for the ACLU's national security project. "It's a secret list, and the government puts people on it without any explanation. Citizens have been stranded abroad."

    The government will not tell people whether they're on the list or why they're on it, making it impossible for people to defend themselves, Choudhury said. People who complain that they're unfairly on the no-fly list can submit a letter to the Homeland Security Department, but the only way they'll know if they're still on the list is to try to fly again, she said.

    While the list is secret, it is subject to continuous review to ensure that the right people are on it and that the ones who shouldn't be on it are removed, said Martin Reardon, former chief of the Terrorist Screening Operations center and now a vice president with the Soufan Group. If a person is nominated to be on the no-fly list, but there is insufficient information to justify it, the Terrorist Screening Center downgrades the person to a different list, he said.

    "You can't just say: 'Here's a name. Put him on the list.' You've got to have articulable facts," Reardon said.
    On average, there are 1,000 changes to the government's watch lists each day, most of which involve adding new information about someone on the list.

    The no-fly list has swelled to 20,000 people before, such as in 2004. At the time, people like the late Sen. Ted Kennedy were getting stopped before flying — causing constant angst and aggravation for innocent travelers. But much has changed since then.

    While thousands more people are on the list, instances of travelers being mistaken for terrorists are down significantly since the government — not the airlines — became responsible for checking the list, Pistole said. Travelers must now provide their full name, birthdate and gender when purchasing an airline ticket so the government can screen them against the terror watch list.

    But with the nature of the terrorism threat, it's not likely that the list will dwindle, even as al-Qaida's core leadership is defeated, Reardon said.

    "I would argue that even if (al-Qaida) as we know it ceased to exist as of tomorrow, other terrorist organizations or lone wolves with both the intent and capability of carrying out attacks against the U.S. would fill the void," Reardon said. "The consolidated terrorist watch list exists for that very reason."
    Once they are identified and placed on the list, he said, "We have a much greater chance of keeping them from entering the country."

     
    • Clyde  •  3 months ago
      Every time that I call TSA with a complaint they transfer me to some guy with an accent named Peggy
      • Rev Al and Jesse 3 months ago
        ROF
      • Shocking 3 months ago
        You spoke to Peggy too? Glad I'm not the only one then. Peggy seems to be a busy person.
      • Faraz 3 months ago
        Everytime my dad calls the customer service line he ends up controlling the manager.
    • unknown  •  Southfield, Michigan  •  3 months ago
      Now why would any terrorist take the chance of coming in on a plane when they can walk across the mexican border or come in from canada ??
      • SimpleMan 3 months ago
        canada, not mexico. the only reason so many come across the south is because they come in groups. canada has a lot more whole to not get caught.
      • JordanW 3 months ago
        But see, once they're in Canada with weed every which way and free healthcare abound, they look around and say, "Hey...I dunno..." ::puff puff:: "...maybe I got it wrong..." and then they just live there.
      • G K 3 months ago
        Dennis - YOU had it right !!!
    • Jakk  •  Houston, Texas  •  3 months ago
      “The government will not disclose who is on its list or why someone might have been placed on it”- So much for your right to face your accuser.
      • Lou C. Ferr 3 months ago
        That was in the OLD America...
      • rommel002 3 months ago
        Well, if you hide your face and are making a scence that draws attention, The TSA would like to be friends with you bent over.
      • Joe 3 months ago
        Your name simply being on a list is not accusing you of anything. The list also includes SUSPECTED terrorists.
    • Michael  •  Orlando, Florida  •  3 months ago
      The TSA has not caught a single terrorist. Fact.
      • Chad S 3 months ago
        Another cream puff article for Obama. What do you expect from the AP
      • Christopher 3 months ago
        You use head and shoulders? But you don't have dandruff?? EXACTLY!!
      • YouGottaBeKidding 3 months ago
        Plus, you have to be careful of what you say here. They are watching.
    • hh  •  Houston, Texas  •  3 months ago
      TSA has no idea what they are doing.
      • El Kabong! 3 months ago
        Get you a ticket and find out how much they know.
      • YouGottaBeKidding 3 months ago
        Good or bad, they know exactly what they are doing.
      • Premium Nova 3 months ago
        They are stealing people's money. They know what they're doing.
    • dude  •  Seattle, Washington  •  3 months ago
      So if there are 500 terrorists here in the US, why aren't they rounded up?
    • Armando  •  Surfside, California  •  3 months ago
      okay, if a "terrorist" wanted to fly so he could try to do something like crash the plane or something, do you really think he would use his real name?? would'nt he get a fake name and passport?? so this no fly list is a waste of time and taxpayes money !!!
    • Dre  •  3 months ago
      I'll tell you why the list has doubled. The TSA needs "proof" that they are doing their jobs well and they need justification to rape American citizens and treat us all like criminals.
    • Troy  •  3 months ago
      The list of 500 Americans is solely people caught carrying cupcakes through security.
    • Michael  •  Washington, District of Columbia  •  3 months ago
      I'm more stressed out by the possibility of the TSA harassing me than of any terrorist attack when I fly.
    • Steve  •  Iowa City, Iowa  •  3 months ago
      Being on this list is not like an American citizen being found guilty without a trial, now is it?
    • notnyeve  •  3 months ago
      And more and more TSA agents are arrested for stealing passenger's property whilst they grope and harass them!
    • Rob N  •  3 months ago
      not my quote but believe with all my heart: anyone willing to trade freedom for safety deserves neither freedom or safety. people complain so so many after 9/11 said well if it means safety then maybe a few rights need to be "adjusted". screw that, id rather be dead then support the patriot act etc. we people have noone to blame but ourselves
    • Juan  •  3 months ago
      Wonder how many grandma's and little kids are on the list? TSA sure screens the hell out of them at the airport!
    • adama  •  Seoul, South Korea  •  3 months ago
      thumbs up if you hate TSA!
    • Roger H  •  Fargo, North Dakota  •  3 months ago
      No oversight for a bunch of rogue mall cops. What can you expect when you give any organization that much money and power? Look what it did to our ELECTED representatives.
    • Bully  •  3 months ago
      i still wonder if my name is on that list? with all the anti govt comments im always leaving and im sure big brother somehow looks over these comments? i never fly anywhere anyway? lol
    • hillbilly_nation  •  3 months ago
      TSA, KGB what's the difference?
    • Jesse Coy  •  3 months ago
      Stalin would love this. Same with Kafka. We'll accuse you of something, but you're not allowed to know what it is. Even China nowadays isn't this bad. Europeans WON'T come to America because of the TSA's reputation. I live abroad, and I hear it.

      So with the economy going down the tubes, those in charge of things like this want one more nail in the coffin. Let's kill America's tourism industry, both from those outside who might have otherwise come to visit, and those inside who won't travel anymore, or AREN'T allowed.

      All I can say is that it's going from bad to worse. I suggest thinking of getting out while you can.
    • badgered  •  3 months ago
      "That's because the government believes the current terror threat extends well beyond the group responsible for the September 2001 attacks."

      True... it's grown to include most Americans.

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